Should Friendship Be So Tough?

I thought high school was tough. There was the popular crowd. The scummy crowd. The band geeks. The nerds. And then there was my crowd. The normal, everyday, not super popular, but not super unpopular crowd. I didn’t really have a crowd. I was just in the middle. And it was fine. I wasn’t ever made fun of, and I didn’t often make fun of other kids.

But, there is something about friendship that is just kinda hard when you are in high school. Its hard to stay best friends with someone who is flirting with your ex-boyfriend. Its hard to stay friends with someone who is dating someone you don’t like. It is hard to stay friends with someone who starts hanging with the dorks or the cool crowd or the stoners (unless you were me and then you will just leech onto those stoner friends and have a grand ol’ time).

Being a mom who has a friend that doesn’t have kids? That is even harder. Finding the time to actually hang out? Impossible. Calling each other to stay in touch? Not happenin’.  And then when you do find time to chat with your friend they don’t care all that much about your kids poop, and we all know how much moms like to talk about poop. What? That’s just me? Shuddup.

And now I am finding that being a mom who has a friend with children is even harder than all of the others. You have all that business of finding the time to get together or make a phone call. And then you have the play date between your kids. And that is where I have the biggest problem of all.

Parents are all so different. Some moms (and dads) are laid back. They don’t freak out when their kids fall down. They don’t panic if they get dirty. They don’t have a cow if they eat sugar. Other parents are overly strict and they don’t allow any television ever. Some kids have never tasted McDonald’s. And not just the little Ethiopian kids either.  Kids RIGHT HERE in AMERICA have never tasted MCDONALD’S. Sad, but true. These parents? They annoy me. But, I can totally deal with it. I might roll my eyes every now and again. But, we’ll still be friends.

Then there are the parents who allow their children to get away with everything. Their child hits mine and they say nothing. Their child swears constantly and they don’t tell him to stop. Their child makes a mess and they don’t ask him to help clean up. This is the type of parent that I can’t deal with.

One of my friends is one of those parents. I love her and I love hanging out with her. But, when her child is allowed to eat candy right before dinner, right after I’ve told Eeyore that he can’t have it? That’s not fun for me. When her child JUMPS on another kid and when that other kid tells on him and she says "Oh" as if she could care less? I want to JUMP on her and bash her head in. When she allows her young child to run free without supervision in places that I wouldn’t allow my older child to go? I want to shake her. And then? When I make my child behave and she looks at me and asks "how do you make him listen so well?" I want to tell her that I DISCIPLINE my children. NO MEANS NO. Say no and mean no. Follow through. Time outs. Less sugar. YOU are the boss, not the CHILD.  But, I know that she doesn’t actually want a lesson* in parenting from me. She wants me to say that she is a great mom and her kid is just fine. But its a lie, and I can’t say that. So I just smile and shrug.

What do you do in situations like this? Because I think that I’m just going to stop hanging out with this mom  and that makes me really sad.

*I am no expert mama, and I hope that didn’t come across that way. However, my kids do generally behave. Yes, they have off days. Today, at my parents house, I nearly had to tie Cindy-Lu down to change her clothes. But, you know what? For the most part, my kids ARE well-behaved. And I take credit for it. Because I’m the mom and I can. So there.

Also, I know some kids are just more hyperactive than mine. But, remember, I’m not complaining about the child. I’m complaining about the parent’s response to the child.

I dunno why I felt the need to defend myself after re-reading all that, but I did. So I did.


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Oh, hell no, you had no reason to defend yourself. One-this is your blog, and you get to say whatever you want! And two-your oh so right!

I agree 100% with you. I would find it impossible to hang out on a regular basis with that chick. It would drive me batty, and I would feel the need to constantly ask her why? WHY!

The only advice I can give you is to scale back (drastically-like to 0%) the amount of time you spend with her. Be friendly when you see her or when she calls, and if she asks why, you should just be honest!

I feel ya, I just don’t know how you have handled it!!

I think I’d start hanging out with her without the kids–maybe a periodic evening thing with ice cream. That would mean seeing her less, but it would also mean you could maintain the friendship you like until the parts you don’t like are moot anyway. We’ll still want friends when our kids are too old for playdates, and then you’ll have her.

My sister-in-law’s friend lost a friend because her daughter was so out of control. Do your kids pick up any of your friend’s kid’s bad habits? If so, I’d stop doing play dates with her and hang out with her in one on one situations. Otherwise, does it matter? Sometimes, I don’t like it when my daughter hangs out with my sister-in-law’s daughter because The Princess always has an attitude after a day with her cousin. But what am I gonna do? It’s her cousin and she loves her.

I was just going to write a post on this.

Our neighbor has a daughter the same age and I love to have my daughter play with someone — well, we went over to her actual house (instead of just playing on the playground together) and holy moly — that kid gets away with murder. No discipline, throwing forks, not eating her lunch and still getting jello… And really, fine. Don’t parent your kid.

But I don’t want my kid to come over — because she doesn’t need to see that. And I don’t need to hear the “Well, Alison gets to…”

Lovely.

So, on one hand, I like the interaction, but I wonder how great it is for her.

i just read this article in parenting or parents (i forget) about all the different types of moms - the slacker mom, the passive mom, the bossy mom…etc etc, and i was trying to figure out which one i am. i’ll let my kids eat mickey-d’s, why not? i don’t really care about all the bad shit i’ve heard. i really don’t! i don’t know if that makes me “retard mom” or what, but i think a happy medium is needed in any situation. i can’t stand the know-it-all moms but i equally despise the pushover moms, too!

I’ll repeat what others have said: go out without the kids. But, in my experience, when mothers sit down without their kids and intend to not talk about their kids (as all us mothers dream of doing when we go out with girlfriends), you always talk about the kids. And you might get annoyed with what she says about the way she raises her kids. But, keep an open mind (and hopefully she will too) and you two can enjoy some nice woman-time instead of mommy-time.

It is sad, but if it were me, I’d probably cut down my time with her, too.

I don’t have any friends with kids so I haven’t had to deal with this yet. But I can imagine it would be difficult.

I just came over here from Kristen’s blog. Great post!

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